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#21

For Sale or Wanted / Re: Avengers on Trademe (NZ's ...

Last post by HenryM - February 08, 2024, 01:57:40 PM

1976 Chrysler Avenger Hillman Avenger Alpine GLS https://www.trademe.co.nz/4554932740

#22

Events / Wheels @ Windsor HB 10th March...

Last post by JoKer - February 03, 2024, 02:48:04 AM

New forum test post on my Mobile 📱 device 😎



Will edit with details in morning hah

March? 2024

#23

For Sale or Wanted / Re: Avengers on Trademe (NZ's ...

Last post by JoKer - January 30, 2024, 11:53:47 AM

This one has popped back up again : not often you see a "Quad" Light for sale in NZ these days : new LINK

On FB : https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/264269533109472/






[edit] listing gone

#24

General Avenger Discussion / Re: The "Plymouth Cricket" (re...

Last post by JoKer - January 13, 2024, 01:02:31 PM

Part 2 (as the Post Character limit exceeded)

The Plymouth Cricket stops chirping
The last date any Cricket was brought to the United States was January 1, 1973, ironically the same year as the first major American fuel crisis.



The Cricket?s failure were partly timing, but mainly quality. The car was brought to the United States before the bugs had been found in the UK, and it was not tested on harsh American roads in the harsh American weather. The price was close to the Dart/Valiant, a much bigger car with far more torque; and in 1970, no-one even imagined anything about a fuel crisis, so why bother with a small car the price of a larger one?

It was a shame that the Cricket arrived too early; it had good handling, good room for a car smaller than the Pinto or Vega, and a pleasing design. Still, they sold around 41,000 Crickets over roughly two years?three model years. If it had been a higher quality car, and kept on into late 1973, it would likely have been a big success; and it would have met emissions standards, other than the hot-cam version, into the late 1970s. (That said, one reason for not important cars in 1973?for selling cars imported in 1972 as 1973 models?was to avoid conforming to new regulations. They were titled as 1973 cars but the VIN indicates 1972 as the model year.)

Chrysler did a lot of that at that time; 1969 Valiants came with 170 cubic inch slant sixes from September 1968 until December 31, 1968 and then were equipped the 198 engine from January 1, 1969 until the end of 1969 production.

The Dodge Colt, a rebadged Mitsubishi, replaced the Cricket starting in 1973. Its quality was well above most American cars.

Canada and Puerto Rico?s Mitsubishi Crickets
Chrysler Canada kept the Cricket name when they moved from the Avenger to the Colt. The Plymouth equivalent to the Colt GT was the Plymouth Cricket Formula S, using a name from past Barracudas. These Crickets actually had different grilles and taillights from the Colts; and they were technically dubbed the Cricket OHC as a way to differentiate it from the British versions. The Cricket name was replaced in 1976 by the Plymouth Colt. The Canadian naming was also used in Puerto Rico, except that in PR, the Cricket name went into 1976 as well.

Brazil: Volkswagen 1500 and Dodge Polara
Chrysler do (of) Brasil made Hillman Avengers from 1971 to 1980 as the Dodge 1500, 1800, and Polara; Chrysler Argentina also made these cars, except the Polara. Chrysler do Brasil used the Polara name because the original Portugese translation of Dodge (?Dodginho?) did not sell well; moving it to to Polara, which had already been used on Valiant-based cars, fixed that. They only sold the two-door, which had different rear side windows from the UK version.

In 1975, the Avenger was the first car to be converted to alcohol as part of Brazil?s program to use excess sugar cane as fuel. 4 Rodas described the changes as including higher compression, a larger coil, a smoother spark advance, revised carburetor (the stochastic ratio was 1:11 rather than 1:15), and an intake with a hot water jacket to preheat the fuel. A small gasoline reservoir was helped owners actually start their cars. The results were around 6% lower fuel economy, 6% more peak horsepower, and, oddly, the loss of nearly one second in 0-60 mph runs.

Brazil added GLS and GL models in 1980, making it the first Brazilian production vehicle to have a standard automatic transmission; sales went up to around 13,000 per year as a result. Chrysler left Brazil in 1981, and local production of the Dodge 1500/1800 ended.

The 1980-81 versions, sold by Volkswagen after they had purchased Chrysler Argentina in 1980, were dubbed ?Dodge 1500 made by Volkswagen Argentina? (the "Made by Volkswagen Argentina" portion was added in a sticker on the rear window or a metal plate in the front). A 1982 restyling gave it more of a Volkswagen Rabbit/Golf look, and a ?new? name?Volkswagen 1500.

Alcohol, fuel quality, and carburetors
by Rogerio Ferraresi
In Brazil, despite the larger displacement (1,800 cc), the Polara only ever used a single-barrel carburetor. It may seem strange to have a larger engine with more skimpy carburetion, but the larger displacement was needed because of the low octane of Brazilian gasoline at the time.

The exception was the 1980 Polara GLS, which left the factory with the two-barrel carburetor and Weber flow from Wercabr?s (Weber + Brazil), a company that succeeded DFV Vasconcelos, from the DFV carburetors, in the market. This Weber carburetor had a second mechanical drive stage, and only used gasoline for fuel.

The Polara 1800 engine was converted to alcohol by factory engineers while it was still owned by Chrysler, but Volkswagen did not invest in making that engine, as it had already decided to stop making the car (unlike what happened in Argentina). Only the 318 V8 engine from the Dart line and Dodge trucks were made for alcohol; this required modifications to the carburetor, such as using chrome plating to resist corrosion. Volkswagen invested in this process because the first VW trucks in Brazil used Dodge V8 engines. These were the ?canavieiros? engines.

Dodge 1500 and 1800 in Argentina
Rootes meant for the Avenger to be big in Argentina even during development. Chrysler-Fevre Argentina S.A. started producing Dodge 1500s not long after US sales began: August 1971. They even got a higher-displacement version of the same four-cylinder, a 1.8 liter which would have helped the American Cricket. The company cleverly kept the name and looks of the car secret in its early advertising, to build up suspense.



On launch, the car was reviewed favorably for its agility. The car was more agile than its American competitors, with an independent suspension and anti-roll bars, and it was easier to fit into parking spaces and small roads.

As in New Zealand, Argentina only made sedans, and, later, wagons (estates); they didn?t make or import two-doors. The rear lights were changed to plain horizontal ones, which would come to the UK; but they were stamped that way from the start in Argentina, while the change in the UK was done with poorly-fitted inserts.

As in the UK, buyers had three models, all four-door sedans. The base had the 72 horsepower 1.5 liter engine; the SPL had higher trim and starting in 1974, the option of an automatic and 92-horsepower, 1.8 liter version of the same engine. Finally, at the top of the line, was the Dodge GT-90 with the twin carburetors.

Like the Avengers in the UK, the 1977 Dodge 1500 series were restyled, getting a new grille and larger headlamps; a more powerful model, the GT-100, was added to the top of the line, using the 1.8 liter engine topped by twin Stromberg carburetors. With 105 bhp, a substantial increase, the company put in a big 215 mm (8.5 inch) clutch; it was only sold in dark blue and black, with stripes. Wagons showed up in 1978, dubbed Rural. These changes and options must have helped; they sold 26,148 cars in 1979 and 27,627 in 1980, after years of running under 15,000.

With Hillman already owned by Peugeot, cash-strapped Chrysler sold off their Argentinian operations to Volkswagen in 1980. Volkswagen added stickers for a while until they tooled up badges, to declare these Dodges to be built by VW. Finally in 1982, they added a VW-like grille, with new front and rear lights and a new interior, including the dashboard; and it became the Volkswagen 1500. Models were base, Full, 1.8, 1.8 Full, and Rural Full; the latter was the wagon, with the 1.8 liter engine and air conditioning. A new stripped down model was launched in 1987?the basic design was now 16 years old. For 1988, buyers could get a five-speed manual transmission, and more buyers could get air conditioning.

Argentina produced 262,668 Dodge 1500s and Volkswagen 1500s. The car was finally dropped after 19 years, nearly unchanged, in 1990, with a solid reputation for durability.

"We" / NZ get a mention again hah

New Zealand Hillman, Chrysler, and Talbot Avengers
based on a story for Allpar by Shannon Stevenson

Todd Motors had distributed all Chrysler and Rootes products in New Zealand since 1924, and, starting in late 1970, started making the Avenger as well, in four-door sedan form and with the 1.5 liter engine?the largest available other than the South American exclusive 1.8 liter. At about this time, Todd also talked with Mitsubishi about making Galants locally, which started in 1972?for coupes only, to separate it from the Avenger (which is why they made no Avenger coupes). This was oddly prescient of Chrysler in the United States, which made four-door Dodge Avengers while rebadging Mitsubishi coupes as Dodge Avengers around the turn of the century.

The Avenger was made by Todd Motors using knockdown kits from the UK, using some local content to meet national rules, and whatever changes were needed and practical. Still, Todd apparently built the Avenger to a higher standard than Hillman itself did.

One year after the Avenger itself was launched, Todd launched the TC; it had four doors but was sportier, with sports seats, black side stripes, vinyl trim, bright colors, and dual carburetors (TC stood for Twin Carburetor). This was replaced at the end of 1972 by the Avenger Alpine, a sport/luxury package with better seat padding, four round headlights, a vinyl roof, and the twin carburetors; it was designed to be a miniature Valiant Regal, in essence. (The Alpine badge was removed when the Chrysler Alpine reached New Zealand.) 1973 also saw metric speedometers on the Avengers, a minor difference from the still-Imperial UK versions.

New Zealand car sales had reached 100,000 units per year in 1973, and the government allowed more imports given the inability of local plants to keep up. That seemed like a good time to launch the (imported) Avenger Alpine GLS, which added heated rear windows and other features. Imported Avengers could have interior colors such as blue and purple, while the domestic cars used only beige or brown vinyl, with white headliners; but some English dashboard colors faded quickly while the New Zealand?s black dashboards braved the sun well.

As 1974 dawned, both the UK and New Zealand upgraded the top engine to a 1.6 liter version. In addition, the rectangular Hillman grille badge was switched to a round badge; and a Borg-Warner four-speed automatic became optional. The Alpine would later lose its dual carburetor setup; and the 1.3 liter engine was added, as a price-reduction option, to respond to the 1973 fuel crisis.

Given the high sales, Todd Motors built an environmentally friendly plant in Wellington, dubbed Todd Park. Opening in 1974, it would be able to make 30,000 cars per year, and be more flexible to accommodate many different models. The company provided the factory photos you see here; they also made Mitsubishis and Nissans in the same plant?three different makers, all competing with each other (though Chrysler was supposed to be buying Mitsubishi).

The new plant allowed for the ?five door? wagon (Estate), which boasted both engine sizes. Possibly the smallest five-door wagon sold in New Zealand, it was applauded for its space usage and convenience; handling benefited from the coil spring rear suspension (most wagons still had leaf springs).

There were even direct competitors to the Avenger on the line, Mitsubishi?s Lancer, and later, Mirage and Celeste Coupe. There was much in-house fighting between the Avenger and some of Todd?s own other products!

The increased range of Avenger models assumed sales would stay strong, but they did not, and after a poor 1975 they ended up with a great deal of unsold Avengers in early 1976. Todd Motors decided to try to bolster sales by racing the car in the Rally of New Zealand; they had done this in 1975 with the Mitsubishi Lancer, with poor results. Avis agreed to buy Avengers in bulk if the car reached the top ten in the rally, also advertising the production car and sponsoring the rally car.

Driven by Scottish rally champion Andrew Cowan, a special UK-built two-door 1973 Avenger was fitted with numerous upgrades (including the Brazilian 1.8 liter engine), but still met the rules. Cowan drove the Avenger to a very definite victory in the Heatway race, and sales picked up rather dramatically; alloy wheels became a popular dealer-installed option. There was some thought of using the 1.8 liter engine in the Avenger, but the executives decided it would hurt sales of the Hillman Hunter.

In addition to Avis and Todd, Shell Oil and the Automobile Association used the rally Avenger in their advertisements, helping sales. The Avengers purchased by Avis were largely 1.3 liter versions.

Finally, the Avenger gained a facelift in 1977, as it did in the UK, mirroring the Chrysler Alpine?and taking on the Chrysler name instead of Hillman?s. The new grilles were either grey or black. The range was rationalized a bit, with the 1.3 GL, 1.6 LS wagon, and 1.6 GLS, the latter having an automatic. The factory still would not add alloy wheels, sunroofs, driving lights, or fog lights, which became popular aftermarket items. All the cars had P155/70R13 tires.

The change in name may have helped sales, because Chrysler did have many followers from imported Australian cars. In 1978 and 1979, the Avenger was in the top ten of local car sales. The old design was considered by many to be a plus, since it was easy to fix.

A commercial version of the wagon was announced in early 1978; it had just the four-speed manual transmission, two doors, and 1.6 liter engine, a wooden floor, fixed rear windows, and no back seats. It was easier to get loans for commercial vehicles, so many bought Avenger commercial vans, got the floor carpeted, and added rear seats. Electronic ignition quickly followed, ?a Chrysler thing.?

Instead of selling the new Chrysler Sunbeam?a hatchback version of the Avenger?Todd decided to make the Mitsubishi Mirage / Colt, with the snazzy twin-gear eight-speed manual shifter; they, or someone, did import a few Sunbeams. That was true even though the Avenger, in 1979, was still among the top ten sellers. What?s more, NZ Consumer rated it as a top pick, among the Escort, Chevette, Allegro, and Corolla (though the Corolla was their top choice). This was, incidentally, the final year of the Australian Valiant.

A year after Peugeot purchased Chrysler Europe and changed the names of the Rootes-Chrysler cars to Talbot, New Zealand followed suit and the car went from Hillman to Chrysler to, now, Talbot Avenger. This may have simply been a matter of using up old grilles and nameplates; in any case, it was the last year for the Avenger, which ended in late 1980. They had made 26,500 Avengers, not bad for a relatively small population. The Escort, Austin Allegro, and Chevette were also all dropped, replaced by Japanese cars. The Talbot Alpine outlasted the Avenger by four years, lasting until 1984.

#25

General Avenger Discussion / Re: The "Plymouth Cricket" (re...

Last post by JoKer - January 13, 2024, 01:01:56 PM

a little point that came up in discussion this week :

Me : are all Crickets Quad Lights? and it appears yes, can you confirm?

Robin Replies : Yes, the alternative were not federal approved.

so that answers that

AND he went on to mention the Quarter Window option too. NZ never had those either



Photo cropped from https://www.motales.com/cars/Plymouth/cricket.php



Part 1 Copy + Paste (to preserve the info should the website ever disappear : not copyright infringement intended)

Plymouth Cricket and Hillman-Chrysler Avenger (and the Dodge Polara, 1500, and 1800 and VW 1500)
by David Zatz, thanks to Andy Thompson, WIlf, Colin McCormick, Shannon Stevenson, Graeme Roberts, and Jan Eyerman
Sold under six different names in North America, South America, and Europe, the Hillman Avenger may have seemed like one of the finest cars ever made, based on its spread through brands and nations. The Avenger may not have been the best car, but it was certainly a good cat at heart, with some unfortunate shortcomings. It became the Sunbeam, Plymouth Cricket, Dodge Avenger, Polara, 1500, and 1800, Talbot Avenger, and even carried the Volkswagen 1500.

Why create the Hillman Avenger at all?
Rootes Group, which had acquired numerous English automakers, decided to create a car between their tiny Imp and their best-selling Minx in the mid-1960s. The Avenger would be a B car in European terms, or a subcompact in the United States, between the Simca 1100 and the Plymouth Valiant. The car would be more mainstream than their upscale Arrow, and sold by their mass-market Hillman brand. As such, it would have few frills, a low price, and conventional but up to date technology.

Roy Axe, the talented styling director, started working on the Avenger early in 1963, taking inspiration from Detroit. The tail was like that of the 1964 Plymouth Barracuda, and the front shares with future GM and Chrysler cars. Ahead of its time, perhaps, were the rectangular headlights on the low-trim version; the higher trim level had four round headlights. Late in the styling process, they gained vestigial fins on the front fenders, a common styling feature into the late 1970s, and a ridge in the middle of the hood.

The American inspiration did not extend to the front and rear overhangs, which were much shorter than any American car, to maximize interior space and handling; but they tried to get the cabin to look smaller than it was, with a longer-looking hood. Axe?s team eschewed standard waistlines, trying to integrate all portions of the car, resulting in something like Chrysler?s later ?fuselage? design.

By late 1965, they had made a few quarter-scale clay models and viewed them in their portable viewing tunnel, which made them seem real-sized. They decided to use a semi-fastback roofline, adding a small waistline crease midway along the rear doors.

The interior was also mocked-up and tested, with particular attention paid to ergonomics. One result of that was placing all the controls right around the steering column; the car had a ribbon speedometer and horizontal HVAC control, except for the top trim level, which had a round speedometer?a differentiation which must have added a great deal to the cost.

Late in 1966, having seen the full size clays, executives gave the green light. Given the hookup with Chrysler Corporation, which was buying heavily into Rootes?a decision that it might have regretted later?the Avenger became one of the earliest examples of a car with a computer-aided body shell design. That no doubt helped it stay competitive until the very end, when its handling was still rated above better-funded and newer competitors. Less intelligent was the decision to save money on rustproofing, replacing an underseal with electrolysed paint, resulting in early rust in many cars.

The car was unusually easy to service, and its long time in production without major changes helped with parts availability. The oil can even be changed from the side of the car; the oil drain plug can be reached from above the motor. This was deliberate as it was meant as a ?world car?  to be sold in areas without strong repair facilities.

One clever aspect of the design was using the same sheet metal fascia with different plastic pieces to set up three trim levels. This was part of an overall effort to keep costs as low as possible for the struggling company, while still having a base, midstream, and high-end model (which turned out, in the UK, to be DL, Super, and GL). The standard seat trim on the GL was brushed nylon, which was coming into European vogue. The L-shaped tail lights were unusual; putting the fuel filler behind a panel between the tail-lights was essentially ?a Hillman thing.?  The license plate had to move to a spot under the bumper.

Knowing the importance of this car?Chrysler wanted to expand through Europe and export small cars back to the United States and Canada?they tested numerous suspension, transmission, and engine setups. That included three types of four-cylinder engine (boxer, V-four, inline four), aluminum heads and blocks; and air and rubber suspensions. Not surprisingly, the Avenger ended up being fairly conventional, partly because it was intended as a world car?to be built and sold on at least three continents. This was easiest with a conventional design using parts available anywhere.

Thus, it ended up with a four-link coil rear suspension, a front in-line four-cylinder driving the rear wheels, and a drum brakes in back (depending on the year and location, the front brakes were discs). The car was engineered to be cheaper to make than the Hillman Hunter (Arrow / Paykan), with fewer body panels; some claim that it would have been cheaper with leaf-springs in back, but that they showed too clearly and looked cheap (this is likely untrue). Ride and handling were likely priorities, given the standard anti-roll bars as well.

1.8 liter (1800cc) Hillman engine

The same basic engine was made in no less than five displacements from 1.25 to 1.8 liters, a decision which may have helped to explain why Rootes failed: 1.25, 1.3, 1.5, 1.6, and 1.8 liters (in cc: 1248, 1295, 1498, 1599, and 1800). The most common engine, the 1.5 liter, had an 86.1mm bore and 64.3mm stroke; the 1.8 liter engine was only sold in South America. It was a pushrod overhead valve engine whose main difference from other OHV engines was shorter than usual pushrods. Ironically, they did not use Hillman?s existing 1725cc engine?which American executives were weighing for their own subcompact (which was never made).

The Cricket was announced in a June 1970 press release, setting the unveiling for November. The first 280 Crickets arrived on time, on November 20, 1970, with a manually choked one-barrel carburetor. From August 23, 1971 on, buyers could get the twin carburetors with an automatic choke and optional air conditioning and automatic transmissions.

The MacPherson strut front suspension, rack and pinion steering, coil-spring rear suspension, front disc brakes, and four-speed manual transmissions were the shape of things to come, and the Cricket sold fairly well for its class in 1971, with 27,682 buyers. For 1972-73, though, sales dropped down to 13,882?combined?partly, one guesses, due to a price hike to $2,017 in 1972, breaking the two-thousand-dollar barrier (the wagon, launched in 1972, listed for $2,399); and partly due to the build quality.



A 98 cubic inch engine was optional for 1972, and was needed for the automatic transmission. The wagon, which showed up in Spring 1972, had the 1.5 liter twin-carb engine; an automatic was optional.



(Where 1300cc = 91 ci and 1500cc = 98 ci)

The Cricket had just a 98 inch wheelbase, and was only 167 inches long; it was 62.5 inches high. It ran on regular gas, with an 8.5:1 compression ratio (another source claims 9.2:1). The car used 13-inch wheels; a typical Valiant or Duster had 14-inch wheels.

#26

For Sale or Wanted / Re: FS : Hillman Avenger clutc...

Last post by JoKer - January 12, 2024, 05:03:07 PM

ack-tchually

I got a handful of Cables from Ron Now I think about it!

I'll roll past the lockup over weekend txt of FB me 021 133 4158 Jared

#27

For Sale or Wanted / Re: FS : Hillman Avenger clutc...

Last post by JoKer - January 12, 2024, 04:57:23 PM

https://www.butlerautomart.co.nz/our-range/Clutch-transmission/Clutch-cables/Product-Specification-QCC1013.aspx

was the 'First best' result <3

and for Clutches : https://clutchdirect.co.nz/collections/hillman-avenger-clutches

and I hear Speedy Spares in the UK are SHUTTING Down so that may affect parts availability Worldwide in a few years too :/

#28

For Sale or Wanted / Re: FS : Hillman Avenger clutc...

Last post by JoKer - January 12, 2024, 04:49:59 PM

Ron had a "HUGE" Cleanout & moved house since then so very unlikely sorry


it's been a while since I 'shopped' : you could try Avenger Parts "Graeme Ekins" in Palmy?

His contact was on here somewhere.. (I'll look now too)


But  I "think" you can still get them new?


at least I hope so & yeah sorry don't think they will be that cheap either


and if anyone has a Part # or Link please post it up!

#29

For Sale or Wanted / Re: FS : Hillman Avenger clutc...

Last post by Avenged Hunter - January 10, 2024, 09:25:10 PM

Hi

4 years late, this wouldn't happen to be available would it? If not any idea where I can find one?

Cheers, James

#30

For Sale or Wanted / Re: WTB Avenger alpine 1600cc ...

Last post by JoKer - January 10, 2024, 10:30:44 AM

How did you get on? (sorry late to the Party)

Our friend in Wanganui has about 5x in Storage in various states

Would you like his contact?

I have no clue on what he's asking for Each of them but know they are "good spares"