Lets dream a little here & ignore the need for a cert here in NZ (Gearbox X-members modifications)
(http://images.gtcarlot.com/pictures/39297862.jpg)
as I've temporarily misplaced my 3rd & 4th gear in my Racecar
and I have managed to pick up a Auto Bell housing to get the process going
ok the Ford type 9 / Sierra Gearbox seem popular
(http://www.the-wizardsden.com/assets/images/Ford_Sierra_Gearbox_RH_view.JPG)
(http://www.the-wizardsden.com/assets/images/MG_and_Ford_boxes02.jpg)
the above is in a MG Midget
and I am aware Miles has a Toyota box of some kind
think out loud & what kind or source for any Gearbox would you go for? (power / reliability / ease of parts & Instalation)
From unlimited budget Sequential air shifted dog box to the simple Home handy man with limited Engineering skills
(http://www.tremec.com/images/prod/tko-2.jpg)
Lets hear your Ideas & why they are good I'll paste a few liks to threads alread on this Forum below with existing awesome informations
Quote from: hunted on January 21, 2011, 11:14:37 AM
Cool article I found on how to put a seierra 5 speed into an avenger. doesnt look too hard if you have the skills and tools
http://rootesgroup.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=140 (http://rootesgroup.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=140)
Quote from: avenga on February 23, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
Okay so I have started stockpiling parts for my upcoming projects.
I have decided to "borrow" some of the good parts off my race car and put them in to my '75. Namely the Volvo brakes and late model booster/master cylinder, Electronic dizzy and maybe some of the other suspension components.
I will also be doing my Sierra 5 speed gearbox conversion and installing an MSD 6AL.
Here are some pictures of my latest purchases.
MSD 6AL and MSD Blaster 2 coil.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1030830.jpg)
Sierra 5 speed gearbox with homemade quickshift.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1030770.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1030771.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1030773.jpg)
Discuss here (http://www.avenger.co.nz/forum/index.php?topic=14.0)
Quote from: avenga on May 03, 2011, 06:16:15 PM
5 Speed gearbox in installed.
For more info read Avenga's 5 speed conversion project (http://www.avenger.co.nz/forum/index.php?topic=60.0)
Here is a couple of photos of the gearbox. Heaps more pictures on the 5 speed conversion thread.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1040995.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1040998.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050001.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050004.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050039.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050049.jpg)
Quote from: avenga on April 29, 2011, 06:08:54 PM
Went down the Bygone Autos to check on the progress this afternoon. I must say they are doing an awesome job and I am really impressed with the work so far. The adapter plate looks amazing, it is a pity it will be hidden under the car because it is a pretty cool bit of engineering and shiny also.
I have got the Avenger back for the weekend with the 4 speed gearbox and it will be going back down on monday to finish off the rest of the 5 speed conversion.
So far the bellhousing has been fitted and the gearbox mount made. They have had the 5 speed in the car to check the shifter placement.
All that is left is sorting out the clutch pivot point, finish off the shifter and a few other bits and pieces.
Here are some photos of the work to date.
Adapter plate. Bygone Autos has done a great job fabricating this, it locates centrally against the gearbox and bellhousing so we won't have any problems with alignment.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1040998.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1040999.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050001.jpg)
Relocated shifter waiting to be welded
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050002.jpg)
Bellhousing with the window cut for the clutch
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050004.jpg)
New gearbox mount
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050007.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1975%20avenger/P1050008.jpg)
and here's why the shifter needs to be move
Quote from: oldschool on September 24, 2011, 11:16:24 PM
Okay if you don't mind the gear lever close to the hand brake!
The Sierra shifter sits 75mm further back than the Avenger one.
some I can get around being a race car & not likely to see the road again (and the fact I don't have a propper handbrake currently looking at Hydro setups too may negate this except I'm not sure hte drums will handle that & need to keep the Cable etc
I have decided to go down a different route for the 5 speed in my wagon.
I'm going to be using a Toyota R154 gearbox, brand new, ever used.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/V8%20Avenger/IMG_6284_zpsedf4fd84.jpg)
Which just happens to be attached to my Toyota 1UZ-FE V8
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/V8%20Avenger/IMG_6493_zpsc3554a27.jpg)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/V8%20Avenger/IMG_6496_zpse69824ca.jpg)
A V8 Avenger wagon should be pretty cool :) :) :)
But more realistically, the Sierra Type 9 in the Avenger Panther has been going really well. I put a short throw kit in it so the gearbox is really tight. The gear positions are so close together that it takes a little getting used to, I was out driving the Avenger Panther in the weekend and because I am so used to the massive throw in the wagon I kept upshifting from 2nd in to 5th gear :)
Also the good thing about the type 9 is that the H pattern in the same, so reverse, 1, 2, 3, and 4 are all in the same place, you just have an extra 5th gear. That also was a pain when I got the wagon, kept trying to shift in to 5th on the motorway and then remembered that I don't have a 5th in the wagon.
hah but yeah real world feeback is good too cheers
might just be a linkage but might not be
i fitted my 5 speed at the weekend had it all done in about 3 hours i was lucky i found a skip brown bell housing in the uk and clutch fork and spigot bearing,if any else is doing one i used the old auto crosmeber to bolt up gearbox all i had to do was unbolt the rubber and drill one 12mm hole and split an old bush i had to isolate it again very easy its the right depth for the ford box and bolts up to original manual mounts.
just looking for cortina mk3 speedo cable now.i cut the floor instead of shortening gearbox housing i can live with it close to handbrake with a slight tweak on the bend in stick its actually not bad.
Yeah, had to cut the floor a little bit in my Avenger to fit my 5 speed gearbox in :) :) :)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_5260_zpsonlclode.jpg) (http://s871.photobucket.com/user/avenga76/media/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_5260_zpsonlclode.jpg.html)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_20180228_143508%20Medium_zpsm1tccrsb.jpg) (http://s871.photobucket.com/user/avenga76/media/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_20180228_143508%20Medium_zpsm1tccrsb.jpg.html)
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_5423_zpsa8nyh6lh.jpg) (http://s871.photobucket.com/user/avenga76/media/1980%20Avenger%20wagon/IMG_5423_zpsa8nyh6lh.jpg.html)
HAH! and the rest :P
lookin good!
you sure did!!! looking forward to seeing this when it comes to nelson.
Quote from: avengertiger on March 27, 2018, 08:13:23 PM
you sure did!!! looking forward to seeing this when it comes to nelson.
You will hear it coming when I get off the ferry :) :) :)
Ross Tells me the VW1500
Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1500 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1500)
The rebranded version of Hillman Avenger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillman_Avenger) produced by Volkswagen Argentina between 1982 and 1988
came standard with a 5 Speed : keen to learn more about this gearbox / option!
They also had a 5 speed in Iran, along with multipoint fuel injection and an ECU for spark
food for thought : Whilst researching the BRM Development I came across this snippet
https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/january-1979/51/chrysler-competitive (https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/january-1979/51/chrysler-competitive)
QuoteChrysler themselves used a DTV bellhousing to connect up the ZF 5-speed gearbox with the standard road engine in a red Avenger, TAC 691R. This car was immaculately presented for the road and O?Dell used it for many thousands of miles
take your time, re read that again
so that means there as another 'option' even if it is as obscure as finding an Auto Bell housing (Plan A : and Plan A is always the best)
now we have a Plan B
DTV is of course Vauxhall
(https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/magazine/app/uploads/2019/12/DSC_7076-765x512.jpg)
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/magazine/vauxhall-chevette-hs-car-classic-drives/ (https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/magazine/vauxhall-chevette-hs-car-classic-drives/)
QuoteThe key thing to remember about Vauxhall?s Chevette HS is that it?s not a Firenza HP. It might sound like a silly thing to say, but the parallels are many and varied. All of the familiar ingredients which make the droop-snoot coup? so special are also present and correct in this limited-run Shove-it: the 2,279cc slant-four twin-cam motor, the feisty and endlessly playful rear-wheel drive chassis, clickety-clack dogleg gearbox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Chevette#New_Zealand (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vauxhall_Chevette#New_Zealand)
QuoteThose with very sharp eyes will note that the 76.2 mm. stroke is the same as is used in a 2.3-litre Vauxhall (such as the Chevette HS2300). This would mean that an item like a DTV steel crankshaft could be modified to fit this engine. Remember that the rallying Chevette used a Lotus-headed version of the Vauxhall iron-block slant engine and that, in the past, engine engineering experiments between Lotus and Vauxhall were routine and you begin to see that quite a lot was already known about the Lotus engine in sporting use.
(there's a lot going on there in that Page)
I'm not sure what Bell or if more mods were required, just logging this here for future investigation / potential
I'm also struggling with a quick Google Image search of the "Box" or layout of the housing etc
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/droopsnootgroup/chevette-hs-getrag-gearbox-for-sale-t9346.html (https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/droopsnootgroup/chevette-hs-getrag-gearbox-for-sale-t9346.html)
QuoteMar 05, 2015#1
Hi All , Just thought i'd put this up here first before putting it online.
FOR SALE , Chevette HS Getrag ( 265 ? ) Direct drive 5th , 5 Speed gearbox , has rear flange not splined , Comes with Alloy Bellhousing to fit any slant four , and Gearstick .
Came out of a car converted for rallying about ten years ago , unknown milage .
I bought it to fit in my Viva but never got around to it .
Offers or advise what it's worth!
Pick up from Devon ,
(http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/67316a49f6afc59afe7d382165ed033cee79cd26.JPG)
de-coding all I've pasted here a Slant-4 appears to have a similar Bellhousing? (Pic above seems to have a 12 o'clock bolt that would be superfluos, anf the "10 & 2" (or "11 and 1") O'clock bolts seem about right by eye-crometer eh?
Scratch that : turns out the car was Lotus Powered anyway, got excited over "nothing" And I should read more of the Article vs "man looking" and skimming it
Learnign to love 4 Speeds here
Learnt a wee tidbit of info from Miles on the weekend
Early Gearboxes are better ratios (lower / better acceleration) and identifiable by the casting, later received extra bracing underneath
Early did not, etc
i often heard early hillman gearboxes being refered to as close ratio boxes in the uk,purely because the later chrysler ones had taller gearing.These i dont think are to be confused with the PTS (peugeot,talbot sport) gear ratios offered by the comps dept for rallying and were often sccr straight cut close ratio although only two off the four gears are straight cut.these are pretty sought after these days getting prices like 1500 for a gear box but are not very strong.in hccr rules in uk it is accepted you can run the 4 speed ford gearbox which are available with quaife gearkits in the sccr format,it is also possible to run the type 9 5 speed as we know also available with quaife clubman gearkits which varied to suit application so many options