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Avenger Related => Members Gallery => Gallery discussion => Topic started by: avenga on June 05, 2012, 02:29:07 PM
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This tread is to discuss JoKers new Alpine http://www.avenger.co.nz/forum/index.php?topic=425.0
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Should look pretty cool with the big mags on it.
I would say $3K is a fair insurance value to put on it. I always see the insurance value as the cost to replace, not necessarily the value of the car itself. So if you did write off that Alpine and you had to go out and buy another Alpine to replace it I would expect you would have to pay at least $3K to find another one. Alpine/GLS are a pretty rare and desirable model now
Personally I think the price you paid for your Alpine was really good, usually Alpines are worth more than a normal Hillman Avenger and I have seen wreaked Alpines go for $600-700. by the time you clean it up and fix up the little issues it has then it will be a really nice car.
Good buying!!
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3k is too low, have my Alpines insured with AA for 4k each. As Richard said it's the replacement cost that's important.
Also if the sum is too low, it'll be written off rather than repaired if pranged.
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Haha, Those wheels are crack up :P
Maybe it is just the light but I lol'd pretty hard at them. They so don't suit the car but as you said "haters gunna hate"
Rest of the car looks awesome.
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yea I kinda threw a few games of Captain Muff just to entertain on the weekend so I dont mind taking a few hits for the LOLs
:D
have a few wheel combos on immediate area, will reveal slowly
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Haha, that Captain Muff is a funny game to watch, makes me glad I don't drink ;D
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I was seriously lost first 3 tries
oh and it leaks oil and the gauges are loose glass/in need of repair
stereo is in back seat, pushed dent in left rear out from inside easy peasy!
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I have heaps of spare parts for the Alpine cluster if you need it.
I even have a fully restored set of gauges that set me back over $600 which I am not even going to use.
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will sort things out slowly, I believe the handbrake was stuck on as the mount bolt had been pulled through the floor/grinding noise
awesome
when fitting rims left rear wheel stayed on the ground (jack at full height) something not right/spring fell out
adjuster for mirror is gone/broken :/
did i Mention the diff whine? (was warned about these things so not unhappy :P
tally is yet to click OVER 1k so extra happy!
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when fitting rims left rear wheel stayed on the ground (jack at full height) something not right/spring fell out
Sounds like the shock to me. May be it isn't bolted in at the top or it is buggered.
adjuster for mirror is gone/broken :/
They use the same adjuster as the mirror in a Valiant like my Charger. (be warned Valiant parts prices are stupidly expensive)
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yea shocked looked a bit tall/wrong
and I was dreading that last part lol
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Give brad at Hemi Performance in Nelson a ring.
he will probably have the mirror remote in stock.
03-544 8106
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is way down my list currently : budget is nill and not quite a requirement
thinking about jammign the Solex's I have and the spare cam : couldn't hurt right?
aware this is a reasonably tired old engine BUT dont have another K for a rebuild just yet : will have to wait till at least summer
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Would be good to see how the Solex's run.
BTW my '80 Avenger is AR paint code also. I like the think it stands for "Avenger Red" but there was a Valiant colour called "Amarante Red" so it is probably that.
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yea had the Solexs on last motor before your carbs so I know they aint bad
windscreen rubber is purging itself too/bit leaky
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edit : just read the Manual for Cam : too hard basket : but deffo the twins :P
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The Alpine already has a warm cam, so no worries.
Take off the oil filler cap and look inside the rocker cover with a torch to see if it has double valve springs?
That will confirm if it still has its original Alpine motor, done 180,000 kms according to carjam.
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Paint code AR is Apache red
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Actually looks really staunch with the wheels! I like it!
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cheers yea : not in a hurry to change : rubbing was an issue on front left, a tickle with small hammer is easing it in
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All twin carb Alpines had a twin choke cable, so not too rare.
Those Solex/Dellorto/Weber carbs take a lot of setting up...choke sizes, jets, linkage etc and drink fuel like there's no tomorrow...ask Richard!
The Alpine motor in my super just has a single 1.50 CD like yours had and runs great...still noticeably more powerful than a standard super and very economical too.
Talking with Mal at Bygone Autos, it's all about intake air speed with Avengers...a single carb provides a high intake speed at low rpm = torquey...which is what you want with an auto tranny to get it into top gear ASAP.
Twin carbs aren't as torquey down low and the motor has to be revved to get the intake air speed up, so more useful for top end power.
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Yeah Solex/Dellorto/Weber carbs are a mission to setup. You really need a dyno with a whole bunch of different jets and chokes to try getting it right.
Yup, Intake air speed is the key. That is why I went down from 36mm venturi down to 32mm. Made heaps of difference but as Ross said, twins are more for mid-top end
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Twin Strombergs on : I am doing a SUPER HAPPY DANCE
sorting filter / putting bonnet back on after smoko
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nice score looks solid enough,much better with wide steels.nice little run around.
save up for a lsd......
more skids
oops forgot it was auto you gonna go manual?
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not in a million years : unless it breaks
trying to stay OEM with this one as much as possible
"investment" plus I reckon I am little eccentric, kinda loving the hate for the mags currently LOL tire rub may deal to 1 tire pretty shortly so will fix that for a while till at least I wear some more tyres off the Subaru
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Looking good.
I use 98 in mine. I don't need valvemaster because I got hardened valve seats put in when I rebuilt my engine.
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Standard Avengers were made for 95+ octane leaded fuel but will run on 91 okay if the timing is backed off a little, 10 deg against 15 deg using premium.
Logan runs 91 in his auto no problem and it doesn't have a vacuum advance dizzy either, same as an Alpine.
I put Valvemaster in the carb damper rather than in the gas tank, plus check the valve clearances once a year to keep on top of any valve seat recession.
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ive come to the darside and sepite being abroke student, run 98 in mine. It is far more economical. i prpbably havnt put 91 in it for about a year, and im pretty sure it doesnt hate me. its still going afterall!
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have heard the additives / lack of them will only show after 150,000km's by that time rebuild/new motor time anyway :P
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just a waiting game like everything else on the car then, not stressing
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ikr totes fully
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man that window rubber is bad never seen them go that way before,any hub caps you can stick in the centres of the steelies might look good? even old avenger ones shined up.
i have a set of turbo cheviots on the rally car to not sure on them though!!!
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the caps I have dont fit the rears :/ to still half a look, will have a scrape around Wilf's some more
I have a heap of dressup rings too
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i havnt put too much thought into that problem lately. That one light of mine decided to sporadically work for one day, the day after i put the new headlights in, and it has stayed on dim eversince. still none the wiser to be honest
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Avengers really need a headlight relay to reduce the load on the switches...especially after 35 years...lol
I sell them here...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/performance/bulbs/auction-484947369.htm
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im not sure that entirely explains why one would be working and one isnt. or does it?
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I have one of them in my shed somewhere!
reckon you got your wires crossed KB
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rekon. lol
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cant remember what goes in the spaces on either side, vents/switches?
Heater switch on the right and cigarette light on the left. They are on a little mounting plate.
I am looking for one for my Alpine dashboard.
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fan switch is near key, last venger I had I installed "accessory" port just above it in blank spot
I remember now there was nothing there on my 78
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Yeah, the fan switch is near the key in the Super. On the Alpine they moved it up to beside the radio and put a plastic blanking plate where it used to be. My 74 Alpine never had a stereo and still has the one piece plastic panel for the cigarette lighter/accessory port, stereo and fan switch. The panel only has a skinny cut out for the old style stereo cassette with 2 knobs. To fit a modern CD player the panel has to be cut up, so you're left with a square hole each side of the CD player for the ciggie lighter and fan switch. Easy to fashion a square piece of plastic or aluminum to hold them.
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9km per litre is pretty good for a twin carb auto Alpine, my super manual with a single carb Alpine motor does 11km per litre.
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was wondering if it was on par, anyone else got data?
subaru is a shoker : I swear it used to be around 12km/L once upn a time
even avenger averages 20c a KM
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and a Lil birdy has informed me an Insurance Inspector called in on Fri after I left for Bike Summit, reckons they found an image of my car in trees LOL
if they do I'd like a copy!
Probably this one you posted on oldschool
also does this count?
didnt hit/bend anything but scared crap out of me
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/JoKerNZ/Avenger-accident01.jpg[/url])
([url]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/JoKerNZ/Avenger-accident04.jpg[/url])
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oh wow thats kinda cool but concerning hah
well back in the day pre 2000's
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Yeah, you can't hide anything from Richard...he's got a porno...I mean photographic memory!!
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Haha,
But seriously, what does that picture have to do with your current claim if it was taken pre-2000? You can clearly see that it was taken ages ago because it isn't a rally car in those pictures.
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edzackery : think I still have the thank you letter from the guys I sent $5 for using their phone to call my mum lol
proves how hard they try to find a reason to deny a claim eh?
I spent half an hr searching through my own posts and did not find it, I am sure I know what thread its out of though
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yeah it is pretty lame trying to decline a claim because of a 12+ year old photo.
I found it by just google image searching 'Hillman Avenger Crash' It was halfway down the 2nd page of images. My crashed Avenger was on the first page :P
Here is a link to the Oldschool post http://www.oldschool.co.nz/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=27632&start=60 it is near the bottom of that page.
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whats even more ironic is when I took it up they said its been a few years since thay had worked on one of these : spot the grey primer patches?
I bet a buck that was the last time!
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haha u forgot to mention that u learned about the idiot-proof (or so they say) passenger front door and the coathanger thing lol
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front doors is old news BUT I had not spotted the coat hanger yet AND yesterday found I have 2 speeds
2 SPEEDS!
on my window wiper!
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Yup, Alpines/GLS have a 2 speed wiper. I want to grab one for my Alpine conversion.
Should also have a 2 speed fan/heater for memory.
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yup but no heat, and all the foam has fallen out so I have air all the time
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Yeah, I don't have heat in mine either. I am going to get it fixed as part of my restoration.
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2 speeds?! jealous
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yea I thought i had broken it!
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Glad you found a good stalk switch...don't forget to put a headlight relay in to protect it from burning out...I learnt the hard way!
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Yup, that is the middle bit with the cigarette lighter. But it looks like there is a big box that goes around the heater and stereo, the supers never had that and I may need one for my conversion. Are you able to acquire the one off that Alpine for me?
That dash cluster looks really different also. they are different fuel/oil/temp/battery guages and they are on the wrong sides. Normally its fuel/battery on the left and oil/temp on the right, on that cluster they are opposite.
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Yeah that cluster is different...I see it has an MPH speedo, so probably a 1500 Alpine...they may have had different gauges to the 1600?
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it looks like there is a big box that goes around the heater and stereo
is just a plastic panel, nothing fancy, but yea gauge did intrigue me, moister inside even more
relay huh, only if I have to, I'd rather be procrastinating!
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It is the bit highlighted in red that I am interested in. The Super doesn't have anything there for me to mount my stereo to. So if I can get a hold of one of those boxes that screw to the frame then that would save me a lot of time fabricating something.
Then I can just make a pretty cover to cover the front.
(http://i871.photobucket.com/albums/ab274/avenga76/Misc/stereo.jpg)
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ahah nope thats an image of the HN : thus in use, maybe if the blue one has it, will have to have a gander
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Yup, I knew that was HN :P was just easier to show you the bit I need on HN. The blue one should have one under its dashboard. If you just unscrew the little cover with the cigarette lighter on it you should be able to see if it has the same stereo holder box thingy.
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hah here I was thinking it was a useless image
will see what I can do
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Wow you're brave thrashing your auto around Manfield, considering how low geared they are!!
Hooned my old one up to 120 km/h and blew a frost plug out the side of the motor...lol
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best way to learn how to drive it!
lack of control i feel on the road is unbelievable, I can trust it now
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140 km/h is less than spec, good for 153 km/h...maybe needs electronic ignition??
What was it revving too? Max power is at 5500 rpm.
http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1975/1029170/hillman_avenger_alpine_automatic.html
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its Manfield, max 800m on straights, running out of track more than accel
even me Legacy will only top 180, there before brakes are required to stay on the blacktop
oh and I am SO glad I fixed gear indicator/light so I could see what gear I was in :P helped diagnose the over rev/sticking in "3" causing overheating/rev's
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ive only got mine to 130 before feeling like i was going to end up in another ditch
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I think those numbers by the cylinder head are casting numbers? Your engine number is 5831902512 which is on the block just above the starter motor.
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I have a question, I saw the assembly(editing) of various styles of wheel rims and tires, but a question dash off in the head, for the road holding, in high speed, the car she(it) remains stable??
Because I I bought wheel rims Cesam, but I dared mettres not to kill my silentblocs which are already very dead!!
You make how??
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not sure how to answer that : the 17"s and hotwires are the only ones I have driven on (and the slicks)
edit : oh and the Hotwires were an OEM option
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OK, because I I have wheel rims in 13 X 5,5 " and a horsemanship of tire in 185/70/13 and sometimes held by road is fuzzy and the car looks for the road, so that the precision is better it is necessary to me to inflate my tires in 2,7 bar of pressure.
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yes same here : feels like its floating at times! 205 on rear
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I had not seen your videos of the circuit!!
That did not walk(work) the last time, nice!!
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haha cheers : had the car stuck in the back yard this morning : jacked it up and put planks under the wheels : all sorted!
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any luck with a gearbag? time for a 5 speed conversion ;D
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would if i could : easier to poke it in a corner till I can afford to do anything with it
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Have you sorted your gearbox out yet jared? it has been quite a novelty to say im possibly the only one in HB with a road worth automatic but get it going so we can have HB meets lol, all 3 of us!
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A spare Alpine appears
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bit worse for wear....
[url=http://www.carjam.co.nz/report/?ref=DCFA81FC]www.carjam.co.nz/report/?ref=DCFA81FC[/url] ([url]http://www.carjam.co.nz/report/?ref=DCFA81FC[/url])
1600 1976 Alpine :P removed from service & neglected since 2001
What do you mean? That will buff out won't it? :D ;D :P
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HAH there's not much floor left & the vinyl roof appears to have eaten the tin top, could be better convertible Flintstones mobile?
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What spark plugs are you using, should be Champion N7YC or equivalent for normal use, N6YC for racing.
I once had my Rally car dyno'ed and they changed plugs to N9Y. The centres of several plugs melted and 1 exhaust valve burn out on the next event....
Overheating from bad plugs, timing could lead to Head Gasket problems?
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Not sure tbh, what ever was in it when I bought it, Graham is out of stock & I'm still kicking myself, my theory if the points burning out and causing missing and back firing holds up right? Basically self inflicted damage...
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good call on electronic ignition i put it on my orange one never fails to start.
i believe repco still sell the control boxes to same as the valiants etc
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cheers yea, one of them "round-tuit" jobs
had the bits for ages (even multiples of them in my spare cars) not being able to get spare points as simple as I'd liked was starting to worry me, especially when the car wouldnt start last week & that appeared to be the sole issue (felt like not fuel to me initially
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great so you where able to help murray out,nice chap and his avenger looks cool another contact for the list.
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the system works :P yeah he's a neat guy to chat to, will look forward to visiting him next time we're up that way